The first epics were intended for recitation; the literary epic is meant to be read.
They handled it very badly. It was disappointing and very humiliating. John York was very rude. He never consulted with me over what he said to the press.
I think you have to control the materials to an extent, but it's important to let the materials have a kind of power for themselves; like the natural power of gravity, if you are painting on a wall, it makes the paint trickle and it drips; there is no reason to fight that.

