You need to get down among the people who are the dirtiest and dustiest, and the depravity, and you need to see Christ's light shining there.
It took us two years to get our first real gig. That was a big dream. We ended up booking a lot of our own gigs and putting on a lot of our own shows. We were trying to get our actual music across, trying to make a connection there.
A mad, keen photographer needs to get out into the world and work and make mistakes.

