“But you know, if you live an affluent lifestyle, there are all types of trappings that are there that you have to be cognizant of, and you've got to try and communicate freely and gain understanding about and then keep moving on, because you know, sometimes lifestyles are chosen for us as opposed to”

“But in Christianity, by contrast, the freedom of the children of God was also freedom from all important worldly interests, from all art and science, etc.”