People watch movies - and it's vague ideas, it's vague notions, but people pick up on these things, that they are supposed to think certain ways or that they're not supposed to think, basically, and they don't.
It is in the thirties that we want friends. In the forties we know they won't save us any more than love did.
The way that I got involved with microtonal music was, frankly, through jazz.

