In 83 I thought we were going to go all the way. We had Roy Smalley, and Steve King, and good players.
It became very clear to the director that it would be foolish not to use our friendship. I had tried to talk to him about it because all the relationships in the film are so, not negative, but antagonistic. There's not a lot of love going around.
The artist is seen like a producer of commodities, like a factory that turns our refrigerators.

