I think when people talk about ambition and talking to him, it might have seemed that he wasn't ambitious.
“I don't get many hecklers now but answering them is an art form in itself.”
“If they're in cell block 1A or 1B, these prisoners - they're murderers, they're terrorists, they're insurgents. Many of them probably have American blood on their hands. And here we're so concerned about the treatment of those individuals.”